look, taxes are probably going to go up on the rich because president obama did -- you know, he went around the country saying if he was re-elected, that's what he would do. but, you know, as i told you many times, even if we don't get a deal here in the next 24 hours, this is not thelma and louise. this is a slope, not a cliff that's going to cause a crash in the economy. i do think it looks bad for the country. it's beneath us to go into this new year not knowing what the tax code is going to look like, what kind of spending cuts will go in. this is politics at its very lowest. >> let's talk about a week ago one of the things that you and i both thought shall i thought it was a bit cynical that john boehner would put forward this plan "b." it sort of showed a lack of faith in his negotiations with the president but he put forward a plan that would increase taxes on those earning a million dollars or more per year and grover norquist to whom everybody has signed this pledge, this never increase taxes pledge, actually looked it over and said, that's all right. i can live with that. s